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		By: Poppy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2022 18:12:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you! So informative and easy to understand. Can I use your information in a presentation in quotes and refer to the page link?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you! So informative and easy to understand. Can I use your information in a presentation in quotes and refer to the page link?</p>
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		By: Jane @ THB		</title>
		<link>https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-87947</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2022 01:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-87930&quot;&gt;Jeff&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course it&#039;s not the size of a walnut! That&#039;s a ridiculous old saying, hence the quotation marks!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-87930">Jeff</a>.</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s not the size of a walnut! That&#8217;s a ridiculous old saying, hence the quotation marks!!</p>
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		By: Jeff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2022 07:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82255&quot;&gt;Jane @ THB&lt;/a&gt;.

RE:  The Size of a Walnut’ – Does Equine Brain Size Matter?
I&#039;m just a layperson, but I have been looking into this topic for awhile.
The Cozzi study showed large variations of EQ in horses, ranging from .50 to 1.3  The higher number is in the range of primate EQ.
Another study aspect is in animal innovation- how the animal deals with situations outside of what it encounters in its wild environment.  My horse opening latches and untying lead rope knots would be examples.  No knots or latches on the primeval russian plains!
  Next, the mirror test.  Some have used it as a self-awareness test.  Humans, dolphins and elephants apparently pass this test.  In a 2021 study it appears that the horses as a group passed it as well:  https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10071-021-01502-7.pdf
   Lastly- brain the size of a walnut?  The brain of a horse is half the weight of a human brain.  The horse&#039;s cerebral cortex is about 2/3 of the brain total weight.  I have never in my life seen a walnut anywhere near that size.
Now, can somebody tell me the EQ of my mule?  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82255">Jane @ THB</a>.</p>
<p>RE:  The Size of a Walnut’ – Does Equine Brain Size Matter?<br />
I&#8217;m just a layperson, but I have been looking into this topic for awhile.<br />
The Cozzi study showed large variations of EQ in horses, ranging from .50 to 1.3  The higher number is in the range of primate EQ.<br />
Another study aspect is in animal innovation- how the animal deals with situations outside of what it encounters in its wild environment.  My horse opening latches and untying lead rope knots would be examples.  No knots or latches on the primeval russian plains!<br />
  Next, the mirror test.  Some have used it as a self-awareness test.  Humans, dolphins and elephants apparently pass this test.  In a 2021 study it appears that the horses as a group passed it as well:  <a href="https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10071-021-01502-7.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10071-021-01502-7.pdf</a><br />
   Lastly- brain the size of a walnut?  The brain of a horse is half the weight of a human brain.  The horse&#8217;s cerebral cortex is about 2/3 of the brain total weight.  I have never in my life seen a walnut anywhere near that size.<br />
Now, can somebody tell me the EQ of my mule?  🙂</p>
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		By: Jane @ THB		</title>
		<link>https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82255</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Nov 2019 02:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82253&quot;&gt;Thomas Bühlmann&lt;/a&gt;.

I see what you&#039;re saying re training, but the point is that what you&#039;re describing with instinct and reasoning are observed behaviors - not something wired into one or the other hemisphere of the brain. Right brain vs. left brain is more a cultural concept than a neuro-anatomical one. If the cultural concept helps the trainer, then fine. 

I&#039;ve added in an extra line about assessing intelligence in horses, so thanks for that prompt. I had already written that intelligence is hard to define in horses, although that statement was further down the article... I guessed you missed it ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82253">Thomas Bühlmann</a>.</p>
<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying re training, but the point is that what you&#8217;re describing with instinct and reasoning are observed behaviors &#8211; not something wired into one or the other hemisphere of the brain. Right brain vs. left brain is more a cultural concept than a neuro-anatomical one. If the cultural concept helps the trainer, then fine. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve added in an extra line about assessing intelligence in horses, so thanks for that prompt. I had already written that intelligence is hard to define in horses, although that statement was further down the article&#8230; I guessed you missed it 😉</p>
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		By: Thomas Bühlmann		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas Bühlmann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 16:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82251&quot;&gt;Jane @ THB&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you for the exellent article by Evelyn B. Hanggi; Mind the horses Mind. The article left-right-brain (logic vs creativity) covers the human field handedness and brain asymmetry. It is not what I meant. In horses you find predispositions to react more instinct related ore reasoning related. Instinct related means: submissive, fearful, not confident, nervous, reactive. Reasoning predominant means: dominant, brave, confident, calm. It&#039;s a general estimation and offers to the trainer to handle more individually with a horses character. The extreme of both sides is rare. The goal is to come from one side to the middle. We call it right-brain or left-brain predominance. To give horses the opportunity to occupy with mental related stimuly is of great benefit to them and will be balancing the extremes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82251">Jane @ THB</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you for the exellent article by Evelyn B. Hanggi; Mind the horses Mind. The article left-right-brain (logic vs creativity) covers the human field handedness and brain asymmetry. It is not what I meant. In horses you find predispositions to react more instinct related ore reasoning related. Instinct related means: submissive, fearful, not confident, nervous, reactive. Reasoning predominant means: dominant, brave, confident, calm. It&#8217;s a general estimation and offers to the trainer to handle more individually with a horses character. The extreme of both sides is rare. The goal is to come from one side to the middle. We call it right-brain or left-brain predominance. To give horses the opportunity to occupy with mental related stimuly is of great benefit to them and will be balancing the extremes.</p>
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		By: Jane @ THB		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Nov 2019 01:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82250&quot;&gt;Thomas Bühlmann&lt;/a&gt;.

This is not a scientific medical research article, but thanks for pointing it out. The walnut phrase has commonly been used in popular culture, which is why it&#039;s mentioned here. Try googling it - this may help for starters http://www.equineresearch.org/support-files/hanggi-mindthehorsesmind.pdf

Recent research shows that the *popularly* held belief in a left brain / right brain dichotomy (logic and reasoning vs creativity and intuition) is unreliable. This is worth a read https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001767 

And yes, OF COURSE intelligence is hard to define and therefore measure across different species. With animals, we can only measure responses that are given to human made scenarios.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://thehorsesback.com/equine-brain-size/#comment-82250">Thomas Bühlmann</a>.</p>
<p>This is not a scientific medical research article, but thanks for pointing it out. The walnut phrase has commonly been used in popular culture, which is why it&#8217;s mentioned here. Try googling it &#8211; this may help for starters <a href="http://www.equineresearch.org/support-files/hanggi-mindthehorsesmind.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.equineresearch.org/support-files/hanggi-mindthehorsesmind.pdf</a></p>
<p>Recent research shows that the *popularly* held belief in a left brain / right brain dichotomy (logic and reasoning vs creativity and intuition) is unreliable. This is worth a read <a href="https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001767" rel="nofollow ugc">https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.1001767</a> </p>
<p>And yes, OF COURSE intelligence is hard to define and therefore measure across different species. With animals, we can only measure responses that are given to human made scenarios.</p>
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		By: Thomas Bühlmann		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Nov 2019 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi. Walnut is not a common expression for brain in scientific medical research. Difficult to understand. Before you use the word intelligence, you have to give a definition. Do you use the term intelligence from a human point of view? That will be often measured in IQ. Is this definition applicable to animals? Not obligatory. Intelligence from an animal point of view will include a variation of qualities in a specific relationship to the breed in order to survive and reproduce. Some qualities of horses are more developed than in humans: e.g. smelling, panoramic visibility, photographic memory, scanning the environment and humans (predators) mood, etc. Other qualities are less: e.g. to calculate, to read, to lie, etc. So what? To compare brain size will not be very helpfull. More research has been made to compare left and right brain, the seat of instinct and rational behaviour. Cause training a horse more connections in the brain between both centres? Probably yes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi. Walnut is not a common expression for brain in scientific medical research. Difficult to understand. Before you use the word intelligence, you have to give a definition. Do you use the term intelligence from a human point of view? That will be often measured in IQ. Is this definition applicable to animals? Not obligatory. Intelligence from an animal point of view will include a variation of qualities in a specific relationship to the breed in order to survive and reproduce. Some qualities of horses are more developed than in humans: e.g. smelling, panoramic visibility, photographic memory, scanning the environment and humans (predators) mood, etc. Other qualities are less: e.g. to calculate, to read, to lie, etc. So what? To compare brain size will not be very helpfull. More research has been made to compare left and right brain, the seat of instinct and rational behaviour. Cause training a horse more connections in the brain between both centres? Probably yes.</p>
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